111: Reframing Cookbooks, and Salad as Comfort Food with Nat and Bec Davey of Reframeables

When you think about comfort food, what types of meals or dishes come to mind – is it mashed potatoes and gravy, the best of your grandmother’s kitchens, or a chickpea curry? Often we have this idea around “comforting” foods that is rooted so deeply in our family ties and meaty or hearty cultural dishes. Yet sometimes, comfort food can be a bit more imaginative, if you reframe it. 

Today I’m talking with Nat and Bec Davey, two writer sisters who like to use art and conversations to reframe more than themselves – you might say they practice socially conscious self-help. Sometimes they do this through conversations with each other, and othertimes they bring in artists, thinkers, and creators to help us along. They always leave their audiences with some new reframeable to chew on as we all work through life’s big and small stuff together.

Our conversation looks more directly at their cookbook, which is called A Different Kind of Comfort Food, and unpacking what traditions and expectations we have not only around what food can be classified as comfort, but also how language and structure can shapeshift recipes and the kitchen experience in more accessible and creative ways.

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110: Creating Safer Community for Breweries and Vulnerable Neighbours with Ren Navarro of B.Diversity

Alcohol has been navigating a new social landscape in America and Canada since COVID hit. While there were signs that alcohol consumption was rising with lockdowns, there’s also been more spaces for conversation around the use of alcohol as a drug, or trickier relationships with drinking and binge drinking, amidst a backdrop of the drug use crisis that is sweeping across families of all types with changes in drug supply and challenges with cost of living. It is a lot to navigate, so I brought back my favourite beer and diversity expert to talk through it, Ren Navarro.

Ren runs B.Diversity Group, and is certified by some of the world’s largest alcohol programs, including Prud’homme, WSET, Cicerone, and AFicioNAdo (an alcohol free certification). She has appeared on national television talking about the historical aspects and new trends in alcohol, and the benefits of stronger communities. In 2018, Ren created Beer. Diversity., a company and advocacy group whose focus was for folks to be able to have open conversations, one beer at a time. With the evolution of this company into non-alcoholic spheres, she introduced B.Diversity in early 2023. This amalgamation aims to create safer spaces in which to have more open and honest conversations to support and create meaningful change in a multitude of industries.

Today she’s on the show to speak to what has shifted with the beer industry since she was last on in early 2020 (pre-COVID, which is wild!), and her transition into championing diversity and inclusion through working with breweries to train and aid those affected by the opioid and drug crisis in Canada. We also discuss the variety of non-alcoholic beverages on the market, along with how to learn about and access them, and the lessons she’s learned as she’s evolved her company while continuing to bring diversity to the forefront of learning and working relationships.

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109: Campus Food System Alternatives as Organizing Tools with Dr. Michael Classens

When we think about food security and food systems, it can easily be imagined as a large national or state or provincial level experience. Yet many young adults increasingly are experiencing the unique dynamics of food systems on campus landscapes, which offers a concentrated and specific food environment that can feel limited as food prices increase and food vendors on campus continue to produce some questionable (and now expensive) meatloaf. 

Yet post-secondary campuses are spaces of resistance and social justice, and it seems only fitting that students can push back to create food systems alternatives that navigate long-kept colonial structures in the academic institution.

 My guest this week, Dr. Michael Classens, is here to explore how these alternatives have played out through his and his students ongoing research. Michael is a white settler and Assistant Professor in the School of the Environment at University of Toronto. He is broadly interested in areas of social and environmental justice, with an emphasis on these dynamics within food systems. As a teacher, researcher, learner, and activist he is committed to connecting theory with practice, and scholarship with socio-ecological change.

Today we’re discussing the work he and his students have been doing for the past few years focused on what he calls campus food systems alternatives – which are initiatives started/operated by (mostly) students that employ food as an organizing strategy to effect broader socio-ecological change on campus (and beyond). Examples include campus farms, student-run cafés, community fridges, and the like. 

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108: Understanding the Idea of Community through Fermentation with Dr. Julia Skinner

In 2023, we’re facing increased food prices, tech-heavy innovations around lab grown foods for climate change, and heavily industrialized and packaged foods. Amidst that, though, there’s still interest in the world of fermented foods and returning to working with microbes to create a multitude of communities.

My guest today is Dr. Julia Skinner, who shares her work and research on fermentation. Julia is a former librarian and Library Science PhD turned food historian and fermentation expert. She is the author of the award-winning book Our Fermented Lives: A History of How Fermented Foods Have Shapes Cultures & Communities. She also runs workshops, events, and a newsletter through Root, which was born from a deep love for community and a belief in the power of food to tell stories, connect us to place, and build a bridge to the past.

Today we unpack the idea of community and what shapes it takes through the evolution of human knowledge of microbial worlds, and how the power dynamics of changing histories, taste preferences, and access to fermentation continue to play in our modern lives.

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107: Unpacking Wellness through Personalized Nutrition & Genetic Diets with Dr. Tina Sikka

“In the way people are looking for genetic testing to get a sense of their background, it’s the same data that is then used to say, ‘Here is a particular diet tailored to your genetic information that will allow you to reach these expectations around health and wellness.’ … I found them to be quite difficult to deal with, on a personal level, as it felt like any neuroses I had around food, exercise, control, and perfectionism was really exacerbated by using these apps. ”
— Dr. Tina Sikka

With increasingly wearable and seamless tech experiences, there is a growing ability for us to monitor almost every phase of our day: what we eat, how much we eat, how we exercise, and how it all aligns with our bodies in a personalized level. These all can come together to create a perspective of what health “should” be, rather than what it could be or what it is for a lot of people with diverse gender and ethnic identities, as well as for those who have disabilities.

My guest this week is Dr. Tina Sikka, returning to the show today to talk through some of the big tech and health issues she researched for her new book. Dr. Tina Sikka is Reader in Technoscience and Intersectional Justice in the School of Arts and Culture at Newcastle University, UK. Her current research includes the critical and intersectional study of science, applied to climate change, bodies, and health, as well as research on consent, sexuality, and restorative justice. 

Dr. Sikka’s book, Health Apps, Genetic Diets, and Superfoods: When Biopolitics Meets Neoliberalism (Bloomsbury, 2023), uses autoethnography, science and technology studies, and new materialism to examine what constitutes ‘good health’ and explore possibilities for enacting health justice. If you caught her last interview, you’re in for a treat, as she discusses how health and personalized nutrition apps work in a very biomedical system to shape health experiences into a hegemonic practice. We also look at her realistic approaches to alternatives in a tech-heavy world, and how to navigate online communities that are trying to make sense of health and nutrition as much as we all are.

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106: Rethinking Cowboy Food through the Unofficial Yellowstone Cookbook with Jackie Alpers

Food on popular television shows can be a storytelling mechanism, particularly in terms of building a sense of place and history. While the television show can tell a specific story, there can be a whole world to explore extending beyond this, which is rife for creative exploration for cookbook writers and recipe developers. 

My guest this week, Jackie Alpers, is here to share her own experiences with this how they played into the concept of her new cookbook, The Unofficial Yellowstone Cookbook: Recipes Inspired by the Dutton Family Ranch. Jackie Alpers is a cookbook author, food photographer and recipe developer who experiments with regional culinary influences while exploring food history and culture, and the relationship that people have with food and drink. 

Today we unpack the idea of cowboy food and its role in ideas of the north and southwest of America, how food photography and recipe creation can tell a story about not just what you see on tv but deepen the social and geographic landscapes of recipes, and why having the unofficial and official Yellowstone cookbooks coming out in close proximity to each other isn’t as bad a situation as one might think!

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